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 | bmclernon
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Denton, MD 
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2003-10-22 66809
I just receintly purchased a JD2210. w/FEL and 62" MMM. This machine has a 'limited' Cat/1 3PH. What is the limit in limited? Will I be able use Cat 1 attachments ie. a 5' rear scrape or will implements have to be specifically designated Limited Cat 1.
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada 
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2003-10-22 66811
I think the use of the word "limited" refers to the fact that the standards for a Cat. 1 (and all others) are defined by the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) people.
I believe those standards include a minimum lift capability, and not just width, height, etc.
Since this machine has only 700 pounds lift capability it might not meet the minimum SAE spec. for such, and so they say it is a 'limited' Cat. 1 3pth.
I can't believe the dimensions would not be standard Category 1 though.
Best of luck. ....
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 | Art White
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6898 Waterville New York
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2003-10-22 66818
Murf I believe it is in the fact taht to buy a Cat 1-2 piece it will not fit! You need catagory 1 only and specifically and it is more with the pin locations. These machines do have limited stroke but that is not a problem with box scrapers and blades or mowers as it is with post hole augers. ....
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| bmclernon
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Denton, MD
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2003-10-23 66925
Art and Murf,
Thanks for your input. Truely, this is new territory for me. I really appreciate your help. Soon as my new toy/s are delivered I'll do my best to get some pics posted.
Mac :-) ....
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 | mudpie
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7 Center Cross, VA
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2003-10-24 66969
Just got my JD2210 yesterday. Nice machine. My first tractor so I have to steep learning curve to navigate.
I purchased a FEL, Box Blade, Box Cutter and 54" MMM. Seems like a nice package. My only concern so far is that I can't seem to lower the box cutter on the rear 3 point hitch without also lowering the MMM. I am dragging the belly mower through the brush before wacking it down. Am I missing something or will I have to take the mower off since I can't seem to raise it up independently of the rear hitch?
Regardless, man!!! I am sure having fun!!! ....
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 | DRankin
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 5116 Northern Nevada
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2003-10-24 66971
I once measured the hitches on my BX22 and my JD4100 side by side trying to figure out what made the hitch on the BX "limited".
The only significant difference as I recall, was the actual lift arms on the BX were shorter. The link is below.
On your 2210, last time I eyeballed one it looked to me as if the lift arms were fully as long as those on my 4115.
If that impression is correct I would not call your hitch limited and it should handle anything the 4010 and 4110 can handle, including a selected PHD. ....
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| Art White
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6898 Waterville New York
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2003-10-24 66984
unless you set it up with independent lift for the deck you won't be able to change that. ....
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| Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2003-10-24 66986
The mounting/lifting mechanism on some MMM allows them to be pinned in the full up position and then the 3pth can be lowered without lowering the MMM as well.
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 | ScooterMagee
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 201 Nebraska
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2003-10-24 66987
Mudpie, If you rise the MMM deck up and set the cut height at he 5-5.5 (or lock) position, the deck will stay up when you lower the 3PH. Even though, I still usually remove the MMM when using the box blade, because of the difference in width, 62 MMM verses 48 box blade. What you cant do is lower the MMM without lowering the attachement on the 3PH. ....
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| mudpie
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7 Center Cross, VA
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2003-10-24 67011
Thanks for the tip Scooter, I had visions of beating the deck all to heck. I just got through removing the LX4 Cutter and putting on the Frontier Box. Removing the cutter was a challenge. The John Deere manuals don't seem to connect all the dots for us mechanically challenged types. At some point I'll have to learn to remove the MMM and FEL but I'm having too much fun sitting in the seat right now. ....
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| bmclernon
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Denton, MD
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2003-10-25 67047
Again, thanks to everybody who expressed an opinion regarding the limit in limited 3 point hitch. At the end of the day I think we can say that the limit is related to the verticle lift due to smaller rear tires on the 2210. Most said this would be no problem for most attachments with exception of PHD operation. A solution to the PHD situation is to use a cat 0 PHD equiped with (cat 1) 7/8" lugs. A cat 0 auger depth is 32", the cat 1 auger depth is usually 44". ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2003-10-25 67056
A CAT 0 probably would work. I'd check if the gearbox on one is rated for the tractor's HP. If not, shear pins still probably would protect the box. A conversion from CAT 0 to CAT I would be pretty easy if an auger was found that had replaceable lower link pins. I have some CAT I or II pins and I imagine there are I or 0 pins as well. I also have some CAT II to I top link pin sleeves. I have to sleeve my CAT I pins up for CAT II hydraulic top-link loops. For the PHA problem, a CAT 0 loop in the boom would have to be sleeved up for the CAT I top-link mounts. I imagine CAT 0 to I sleeves are available.
I haven't thought it through but I wonder if differences in the lengths of a CAT 0 boom mounted on CAT I lower link arms would affect how the bit would swing through vertical. If I remember, the yoke swings back and forth to accommodate auger swing. I suppose it's unlikely that the yoke would run out of range but it's a thought.
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| tk_csa
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 28 western New York
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2003-11-19 69138
I believe according to the ASAE (American Society of Agricultural Engineers) the only limitation of the cat1 hitch is height (max lift height). I believe you'll find this somewhere in 2210 literature (sales or manuals) or on the web. ....
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